1 00:00:01,295 --> 00:00:04,025 - It's once again time to get gutsy with Liz Hall 2 00:00:04,085 --> 00:00:07,025 and her expert guests on the Gutsy Babe Podcast. 3 00:00:07,975 --> 00:00:10,025 - Welcome to this episode of The Gutsy Babe. 4 00:00:10,205 --> 00:00:14,105 I'm your host, Liz Hall. Today's guest is Ashley Blake. 5 00:00:14,485 --> 00:00:16,585 She is the founder of Traverse Journeys 6 00:00:16,645 --> 00:00:20,945 and Adventure Tour operator providing impact focused small 7 00:00:20,945 --> 00:00:23,625 group trips and retreats in 25 plus 8 00:00:24,065 --> 00:00:25,145 countries around the globe. 9 00:00:25,765 --> 00:00:28,865 Her work as a travel specialist, cultural consultant 10 00:00:29,165 --> 00:00:33,145 and location independent entrepreneur is based on 20 years 11 00:00:33,315 --> 00:00:37,465 experience in 70 plus countries across Latin America, 12 00:00:37,765 --> 00:00:40,865 Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East. 13 00:00:41,485 --> 00:00:44,065 Ashley works with individuals, teams, 14 00:00:44,245 --> 00:00:46,585 and organizations to leverage the power 15 00:00:46,645 --> 00:00:50,345 of cultural flexibility to build confidence, clarity, 16 00:00:50,645 --> 00:00:53,585 and connection in your personal and professional journey. 17 00:00:53,975 --> 00:00:56,745 Welcome, Ashley. I'm so excited to have you on today. 18 00:00:57,455 --> 00:00:59,745 - Awesome. Thank you so much for having me today. 19 00:00:59,895 --> 00:01:01,145 It's so nice to connect here. 20 00:01:01,655 --> 00:01:02,745 - Yeah, same. 21 00:01:03,045 --> 00:01:07,345 Um, I just want to share with our audience and how we met. 22 00:01:07,725 --> 00:01:12,695 We met through, uh, dreamers, I call it Dreamers, um, 23 00:01:12,915 --> 00:01:17,295 but it was through, uh, Marie Folio's, uh, 24 00:01:17,795 --> 00:01:21,535 little networking group, uh, that she has, uh, 25 00:01:22,575 --> 00:01:26,895 cultivated such an amazing group of, uh, entrepreneurs, 26 00:01:27,775 --> 00:01:29,175 founders, business owners, 27 00:01:29,635 --> 00:01:32,655 and it's been amazing how we connected through that. 28 00:01:32,655 --> 00:01:33,655 Right. , 29 00:01:34,115 --> 00:01:36,415 - It really has been. And it's just even a little 30 00:01:36,445 --> 00:01:37,575 plug from Marie Forlio. 31 00:01:37,725 --> 00:01:40,335 Such an incredible group of just dynamic humans 32 00:01:40,445 --> 00:01:41,575 that wanna connect. 33 00:01:41,595 --> 00:01:43,015 And so yeah. Liz, I'm so glad 34 00:01:43,015 --> 00:01:44,335 that we gotta meet on that platform. 35 00:01:45,085 --> 00:01:48,735 - Same, same. So you are in Copenhagen 36 00:01:48,795 --> 00:01:50,575 and this is where you live, correct? 37 00:01:51,555 --> 00:01:52,615 - It is where I live. 38 00:01:52,615 --> 00:01:54,495 It actually has nothing to do with my business, 39 00:01:54,715 --> 00:01:56,415 but life kind of brought me here. 40 00:01:56,515 --> 00:01:58,575 We were talking a little bit about where I'm from 41 00:01:59,095 --> 00:02:01,135 a moment ago, and I'm from the west coast, 42 00:02:01,325 --> 00:02:04,495 grew up in Oregon, born in California, lived in Austin, 43 00:02:04,625 --> 00:02:06,735 which is where my company Traverse was born 44 00:02:06,735 --> 00:02:07,775 when I lived there. 45 00:02:08,085 --> 00:02:09,975 Okay. Lived in Asia for a while 46 00:02:10,075 --> 00:02:11,775 and I've been in Copenhagen for four years. 47 00:02:11,995 --> 00:02:15,495 So there's lots of story there, but not a linear path. 48 00:02:16,055 --> 00:02:17,055 - I love it. I love it. 49 00:02:17,255 --> 00:02:20,735 I, well, I love not a linear path because that is life, 50 00:02:21,395 --> 00:02:23,535 but you definitely are well traveled 51 00:02:24,195 --> 00:02:26,215 and, um, that's just beautiful. 52 00:02:27,085 --> 00:02:28,735 - Yeah. It's something I'm really grateful for. 53 00:02:28,855 --> 00:02:31,615 I feel like I've been really fortunate in life to have a lot 54 00:02:31,615 --> 00:02:34,535 of very, like, varied experiences, to say the least. 55 00:02:35,275 --> 00:02:36,495 - And it sounds like that's 56 00:02:36,495 --> 00:02:38,735 what you made your career out of, right? 57 00:02:38,995 --> 00:02:41,655 For just being a world traveler. 58 00:02:42,035 --> 00:02:44,575 So how did you get involved in the travel industry? 59 00:02:45,805 --> 00:02:46,935 - Yeah, it's a great question. 60 00:02:47,035 --> 00:02:50,055 You know, I like to call myself an accidental entrepreneur. 61 00:02:50,335 --> 00:02:53,015 I didn't intend to, I never intended, per se, 62 00:02:53,015 --> 00:02:55,015 to have my own company or a travel company, 63 00:02:55,235 --> 00:02:57,895 but I was always really interested in travel and culture 64 00:02:57,955 --> 00:02:59,205 and language when I was young 65 00:02:59,745 --> 00:03:02,845 and started traveling the first time when I was 17 mm-Hmm. . 66 00:03:02,925 --> 00:03:06,085 And then through college, studied Spanish, did internships 67 00:03:06,085 --> 00:03:07,165 and studies abroad, 68 00:03:07,425 --> 00:03:09,925 and worked in concert production right out of college. 69 00:03:10,745 --> 00:03:12,805 And then got snagged by a tour company, 70 00:03:12,915 --> 00:03:15,445 just like inadvertently one of those kind of life things 71 00:03:15,445 --> 00:03:18,645 where just the circumstances fell into my lap. 72 00:03:19,105 --> 00:03:21,565 And next thing I knew I was on a plane to Germany 73 00:03:21,785 --> 00:03:25,325 for October Fest and got hired by this company, uh, 74 00:03:25,395 --> 00:03:27,725 leading cultural tours in Germany and Spain. 75 00:03:28,105 --> 00:03:30,805 And then we also did, um, sports tourism. 76 00:03:31,065 --> 00:03:32,965 So I was in the Beijing Olympics 77 00:03:33,025 --> 00:03:34,685 and I was at the Vancouver Olympics. 78 00:03:34,685 --> 00:03:37,925 We did hosted a lot of athletes families, so 79 00:03:37,925 --> 00:03:41,365 that was my foray into tourism, so quite a while back. 80 00:03:41,665 --> 00:03:45,125 So I began during that time, you know, 81 00:03:45,125 --> 00:03:48,645 getting the skills needed for tourism, I would say combined 82 00:03:48,715 --> 00:03:52,645 with the previous, um, concerts, production experience. 83 00:03:52,645 --> 00:03:53,925 There's a lot of project management 84 00:03:53,945 --> 00:03:55,645 and logistics and operations. 85 00:03:55,705 --> 00:03:58,245 During that same time, I was actually doing bookkeeping 86 00:03:58,305 --> 00:03:59,925 for the company that I was hired for. 87 00:04:00,345 --> 00:04:03,805 So it was, it was really, um, a layering of experiences 88 00:04:04,265 --> 00:04:05,805 and, you know, jobs and tasks 89 00:04:05,945 --> 00:04:08,085 and kind of jack of all trades, learning a lot 90 00:04:08,085 --> 00:04:09,125 of different pieces of this. 91 00:04:09,445 --> 00:04:11,725 'cause there's a hospitality side of it with clients. 92 00:04:11,725 --> 00:04:14,245 There's also the logistics and operations side of it. 93 00:04:14,425 --> 00:04:17,765 Mm-Hmm. . So that kind of, if you bookmark that time period, 94 00:04:18,365 --> 00:04:19,925 I took a hiatus from tourism 95 00:04:20,985 --> 00:04:23,325 and got involved in another business in 96 00:04:23,325 --> 00:04:24,445 the natural food space. 97 00:04:25,085 --> 00:04:26,725 I also taught English in South Korea. 98 00:04:27,385 --> 00:04:29,885 Uh, I got my master's degree, which was on music 99 00:04:29,985 --> 00:04:31,405 for social change in Brazil. 100 00:04:31,795 --> 00:04:32,645 This was in Brazil. Mm-Hmm. . This was in Austin 101 00:04:32,665 --> 00:04:33,765 at the University of Texas. 102 00:04:33,865 --> 00:04:35,645 And I spent quite a bit of time in Brazil. 103 00:04:36,305 --> 00:04:38,565 And it was at that time that the one business class 104 00:04:38,565 --> 00:04:41,605 that I ever took was on social entrepreneurship. 105 00:04:42,065 --> 00:04:43,285 And it was really impactful 106 00:04:43,285 --> 00:04:44,925 because that was something that I really wanted 107 00:04:44,925 --> 00:04:46,765 to bring into my work, um, 108 00:04:46,765 --> 00:04:49,565 because it's something that I really feel like part 109 00:04:49,565 --> 00:04:51,445 of my purpose is like having a, 110 00:04:51,505 --> 00:04:53,485 an impact in something that's greater than me. 111 00:04:54,265 --> 00:04:56,685 And so that's when kind of a lot of these threads 112 00:04:56,685 --> 00:04:59,845 of ideas started really coming in for how to build 113 00:05:00,765 --> 00:05:02,085 a business with impact. 114 00:05:02,745 --> 00:05:03,845 And during that time, 115 00:05:04,205 --> 00:05:07,725 I was actually seeking jobs in the international space, 116 00:05:07,745 --> 00:05:10,285 not necessarily tourism, but something international. 117 00:05:10,365 --> 00:05:11,845 I was doing all kinds of side gigs. 118 00:05:12,305 --> 00:05:15,125 And one of my mentors from the previous company that I, 119 00:05:15,475 --> 00:05:17,525 that I had, um, he's like, 120 00:05:17,525 --> 00:05:18,925 why don't you just start your own thing? 121 00:05:18,945 --> 00:05:20,645 And I was pretty adverse to it at first 122 00:05:20,645 --> 00:05:23,045 because it was like, ah, I know what is, I had been 123 00:05:23,045 --> 00:05:24,125 through a funding round 124 00:05:24,145 --> 00:05:26,965 and all kinds of, uh, experience with growth, 125 00:05:27,405 --> 00:05:28,845 with fast growth with companies. 126 00:05:28,865 --> 00:05:31,525 And I just didn't actually love that energy. 127 00:05:31,645 --> 00:05:33,725 I got a lot of experience, but didn't love that energy. 128 00:05:33,865 --> 00:05:36,325 Mm-Hmm. . And, but I took this idea to heart. 129 00:05:36,545 --> 00:05:39,605 And, um, that is kind of where Traverse was born. 130 00:05:39,605 --> 00:05:41,765 This is 2017 at this point in time. 131 00:05:41,985 --> 00:05:44,405 So that came as a culmination of 132 00:05:44,965 --> 00:05:47,405 previous experience in tourism and a lot of travel. 133 00:05:47,465 --> 00:05:49,685 By that time I had traveled all over Latin America, 134 00:05:49,775 --> 00:05:50,965 quite a bit of time in Europe. 135 00:05:51,225 --> 00:05:52,845 I'd been to Asia, I lived in Asia. 136 00:05:53,585 --> 00:05:54,765 Um, so there was kind 137 00:05:54,765 --> 00:05:56,525 of a culmination of that side of things. 138 00:05:56,665 --> 00:05:58,605 And then, then also just not being able to find 139 00:05:58,605 --> 00:06:00,725 what I wanted that felt aligned for my work. 140 00:06:00,865 --> 00:06:02,325 So I, so I started it. 141 00:06:02,635 --> 00:06:04,685 - Yeah, you created it. That's beautiful. 142 00:06:05,205 --> 00:06:07,565 I mean, how special is that, that you're able to use all 143 00:06:07,565 --> 00:06:10,165 of your skillset and wrap it into one business? 144 00:06:10,785 --> 00:06:13,525 And you speak multiple languages, it sounds like? 145 00:06:14,485 --> 00:06:15,845 - I do. I these days, 146 00:06:15,945 --> 00:06:17,765 so I've spoken Spanish since I was younger. 147 00:06:17,865 --> 00:06:19,805 Mm-Hmm. these days I use Danish 148 00:06:19,805 --> 00:06:20,965 because I live in Denmark, . 149 00:06:21,365 --> 00:06:22,845 So it's funny how language is, 150 00:06:22,845 --> 00:06:25,365 sometimes I'll throw in some Danish words into my Spanish 151 00:06:25,465 --> 00:06:27,085 or Spanish words into my Danish . 152 00:06:27,585 --> 00:06:30,285 But I have studied, I studied, um, German a long time ago 153 00:06:30,285 --> 00:06:31,285 and used that for work. 154 00:06:31,465 --> 00:06:34,045 But as they say, you know, you don't use it, you lose it. 155 00:06:34,425 --> 00:06:36,085 Uh, I studied Arabic for a year. 156 00:06:36,325 --> 00:06:38,525 I studied tiny bits of like Italian 157 00:06:38,705 --> 00:06:40,165 and some other other stuff. 158 00:06:40,165 --> 00:06:42,405 And then I studied Portuguese when I was in Brazil, 159 00:06:42,405 --> 00:06:43,445 Brazilian, Portuguese. 160 00:06:43,825 --> 00:06:46,645 But a lot of those languages, if I were to go immerse myself 161 00:06:46,645 --> 00:06:48,165 for a few weeks, I could get 'em back. 162 00:06:48,345 --> 00:06:51,325 But, um, and I can understand better than I can speak. 163 00:06:51,545 --> 00:06:54,685 So these days on the forefront, Spanish and Danish, 164 00:06:55,835 --> 00:06:59,885 - Well, you're very special to have all of those skills 165 00:06:59,885 --> 00:07:02,285 because I just, I've always wished 166 00:07:02,285 --> 00:07:04,765 and dreamed that I could speak multiple languages. 167 00:07:05,625 --> 00:07:09,005 My brain, personally does not work that quickly to pick up a 168 00:07:09,005 --> 00:07:10,005 link. - . 169 00:07:10,725 --> 00:07:13,125 Totally. It's, you know, it's, it's a thing. 170 00:07:13,205 --> 00:07:15,725 I think it's also, you know, we connect to different skills 171 00:07:15,725 --> 00:07:17,005 that we have with our purpose. 172 00:07:17,265 --> 00:07:19,925 And one of the things that I really feel like 173 00:07:19,925 --> 00:07:21,165 aligned with is connection. 174 00:07:21,225 --> 00:07:23,005 And language is such a connector, you know, 175 00:07:23,005 --> 00:07:24,245 it's a door, door to culture. 176 00:07:24,435 --> 00:07:27,645 It's a door to conversations with people. So It's so true. 177 00:07:27,645 --> 00:07:29,125 I think that's why I'm drawn to it. 178 00:07:29,945 --> 00:07:32,325 - Oh, that's so beautifully said. Mm-Hmm. . 179 00:07:33,595 --> 00:07:36,575 So it seems your target market is conscious travelers. 180 00:07:36,915 --> 00:07:38,855 Can you share who these people are 181 00:07:38,955 --> 00:07:41,695 and what makes them different from your run 182 00:07:41,695 --> 00:07:42,735 of the mill travelers? 183 00:07:43,855 --> 00:07:46,225 - Yeah, definitely. So I'll tell you a little bit, kind 184 00:07:46,225 --> 00:07:49,745 of high level, um, what all of our travelers have in common. 185 00:07:49,765 --> 00:07:51,425 Mm-Hmm. . And then I'll talk a little bit about, 186 00:07:51,485 --> 00:07:52,545 we have different segments. 187 00:07:53,045 --> 00:07:55,625 So, you know, all of our traverse travelers are looking 188 00:07:55,685 --> 00:07:59,465 for authentic connection, both externally and internally. 189 00:08:00,005 --> 00:08:02,465 So like wanting that for themselves on their travels. 190 00:08:02,465 --> 00:08:04,505 You know, they wanna be with other, like-minded travelers. 191 00:08:05,015 --> 00:08:08,105 They wanna see places in a unique way, like unique, 192 00:08:08,105 --> 00:08:09,745 here are the stories that bring them alive. 193 00:08:09,845 --> 00:08:12,185 You know, that might be hands-on experiences, 194 00:08:12,665 --> 00:08:14,825 engaging the senses, taking a cooking class, 195 00:08:15,225 --> 00:08:18,145 visiting a local market for our guided experiences. 196 00:08:18,245 --> 00:08:20,145 We don't want guides that are just knowledgeable, 197 00:08:20,165 --> 00:08:21,345 but that have personality. 198 00:08:21,445 --> 00:08:23,945 And it's like traveling with a friend, you know, opening 199 00:08:23,945 --> 00:08:25,865 that door to culture, you know, 200 00:08:25,985 --> 00:08:29,185 understanding the everyday life of a given place. 201 00:08:29,245 --> 00:08:31,145 You know, what are the joys, what are the challenges? 202 00:08:31,255 --> 00:08:33,185 Real conversations, um, 203 00:08:33,565 --> 00:08:35,745 our travelers wanna give back on their travels 204 00:08:36,165 --> 00:08:38,065 by like supporting small businesses, 205 00:08:38,095 --> 00:08:40,275 locally owned accommodations. 206 00:08:40,295 --> 00:08:43,195 For example, women in minority groups, like both, 207 00:08:43,265 --> 00:08:45,595 both really bolstering local economies, keeping 208 00:08:45,595 --> 00:08:47,675 that income in the local economy, um, 209 00:08:47,735 --> 00:08:50,435 and minimizing their environmental impact along with that. 210 00:08:50,575 --> 00:08:52,715 Mm-Hmm. . And then also for our, you know, working 211 00:08:52,715 --> 00:08:55,035 with a tour operator like us, you know, we do the, 212 00:08:55,045 --> 00:08:56,645 the vetting, the planning, the leading, 213 00:08:56,945 --> 00:08:59,725 and they want that done in a way that brings like comfort 214 00:08:59,865 --> 00:09:01,765 and ease and delight and surprise. 215 00:09:02,305 --> 00:09:03,485 You know, we don't take you 216 00:09:03,485 --> 00:09:06,005 around on like big tourist buses with a flag. 217 00:09:06,345 --> 00:09:08,965 Not us , you know, we don't overpack the schedule so 218 00:09:08,965 --> 00:09:10,285 that you have no time to integrate 219 00:09:10,285 --> 00:09:11,565 or discover things for yourself. 220 00:09:12,265 --> 00:09:14,245 We also really don't skimp on our partners. 221 00:09:14,275 --> 00:09:17,645 Like, relationships are so key to traverse trips. 222 00:09:17,765 --> 00:09:19,405 I mean, they really are the star of the show. 223 00:09:19,985 --> 00:09:23,605 So the, the guides, the artisan crafts maker, you know, the, 224 00:09:23,605 --> 00:09:24,965 even the drivers, like, 225 00:09:25,025 --> 00:09:26,325 we don't give enough credit to drivers. 226 00:09:26,435 --> 00:09:28,645 Like they're, we could not have a trip without them. Right? 227 00:09:29,145 --> 00:09:30,605 So like learning their name 228 00:09:30,625 --> 00:09:32,365 and getting to know them through the trip. 229 00:09:32,665 --> 00:09:37,125 So those are kind of pillars of the traverse traveler 230 00:09:37,145 --> 00:09:38,685 and the way we position ourselves. 231 00:09:38,945 --> 00:09:42,325 And then our trips divide into three categories. 232 00:09:42,425 --> 00:09:45,165 We have adventure retreat and explore. 233 00:09:45,865 --> 00:09:48,925 So like adventure travelers are really deeply motivated 234 00:09:48,925 --> 00:09:51,325 to challenge themselves, like physically, mentally, 235 00:09:51,325 --> 00:09:53,845 spiritually, you know, looking for an experience 236 00:09:53,845 --> 00:09:55,765 that really inspires that next up level. 237 00:09:55,835 --> 00:09:58,485 Like, yeah, I'll get up at 4:00 AM for that epic sunrise. 238 00:09:58,875 --> 00:10:01,365 Yeah. You know, and then the retreat, 239 00:10:01,395 --> 00:10:03,165 like maybe you're feeling burnt out 240 00:10:03,225 --> 00:10:04,605 or you're looking to like grow 241 00:10:04,605 --> 00:10:06,045 and learn on your healing path 242 00:10:06,225 --> 00:10:08,325 and an environment that can really support that. 243 00:10:08,825 --> 00:10:11,245 That's where kind of our retreat category is. 244 00:10:11,825 --> 00:10:14,365 And then explore is kind of like the lighter side, like 245 00:10:14,505 --> 00:10:16,125 how can you make the world a better place? 246 00:10:16,195 --> 00:10:18,205 Well experience something new and unique 247 00:10:18,385 --> 00:10:21,845 and, you know, moving from simply observing to traveling 248 00:10:21,865 --> 00:10:24,045 as a participant, like making it participatory. 249 00:10:24,385 --> 00:10:27,845 Mm-Hmm. . So those are kind of the categories that we have 250 00:10:27,865 --> 00:10:29,965 and what threads all of the clients together. 251 00:10:30,365 --> 00:10:33,285 Interestingly enough, I did a little data research on just, 252 00:10:33,485 --> 00:10:36,525 I mean, it's been a while since 2017 to today, 253 00:10:36,665 --> 00:10:39,125 our average traveler is a 52-year-old female. 254 00:10:39,665 --> 00:10:41,005 And we still have lots of males. 255 00:10:41,005 --> 00:10:42,285 We have younger, we have older, we have 256 00:10:42,465 --> 00:10:44,045 multi-generational travelers. 257 00:10:44,145 --> 00:10:45,925 But that's the, if you take it out 258 00:10:45,925 --> 00:10:47,245 and average it, that's what it's, 259 00:10:47,775 --> 00:10:48,775 - Isn't that amazing? 260 00:10:48,875 --> 00:10:51,565 It's, uh, more women are traveling solo these days. 261 00:10:52,085 --> 00:10:53,125 I find that fascinating. It's 262 00:10:53,125 --> 00:10:54,125 - Incredible. 263 00:10:54,125 --> 00:10:55,845 And I love it because they come with this faith 264 00:10:56,275 --> 00:10:57,765 that they're gonna meet and they're gonna 265 00:10:57,765 --> 00:10:59,085 connect and they leave with friends. 266 00:10:59,225 --> 00:11:00,285 And I just think that's so amazing. 267 00:11:01,075 --> 00:11:04,765 - It's true. I went on a women's solo trip, um, 268 00:11:06,075 --> 00:11:08,645 last year, uh, to Morocco 269 00:11:08,745 --> 00:11:11,925 and it was a women's entrepreneurial, uh, group 270 00:11:12,185 --> 00:11:13,565 and it was so beautiful. 271 00:11:13,565 --> 00:11:16,765 And it was very similar to how your business is set up, 272 00:11:16,765 --> 00:11:20,405 that we, um, contribute to a nonprofit wi locally. 273 00:11:21,305 --> 00:11:24,525 And we, uh, connected with all of the locals 274 00:11:24,585 --> 00:11:28,045 and kept the, uh, it was all relationship based with that, 275 00:11:28,345 --> 00:11:30,165 um, founder of that business as well. 276 00:11:30,365 --> 00:11:32,205 I believe it was called Eleanora. 277 00:11:32,425 --> 00:11:34,565 And it was so beautiful. Yeah. 278 00:11:34,635 --> 00:11:36,925 - Cool. Yeah. Morocco is magical and fun. 279 00:11:36,985 --> 00:11:38,245 Fun fact, I was stuck there for three 280 00:11:38,245 --> 00:11:41,605 and a half months during Covid fun time. 281 00:11:42,465 --> 00:11:44,685 - Wow. Share a little bit about that. I'd love to hear 282 00:11:45,305 --> 00:11:46,305 - For sure. 283 00:11:46,305 --> 00:11:49,525 Yeah. So we were on a trip that started like 284 00:11:50,425 --> 00:11:51,495 early, early March. 285 00:11:51,835 --> 00:11:54,525 So it was right before the world shut down when everything 286 00:11:54,525 --> 00:11:55,725 was still like, what's happening? 287 00:11:55,725 --> 00:11:57,165 But we're okay, but we're not okay. 288 00:11:57,225 --> 00:11:58,925 You know, it was in that in between. 289 00:11:58,985 --> 00:12:00,325 And so I was with 15 clients 290 00:12:00,425 --> 00:12:03,045 and we were out in the Sahara Desert, which you're like, 291 00:12:03,045 --> 00:12:05,725 what can go wrong in 48 hours with no internet connection? 292 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:08,365 Right? So when we get back out of the desert, 293 00:12:08,485 --> 00:12:12,005 I have like dozens of messages about what's going on. 294 00:12:12,225 --> 00:12:15,405 So we continue on our route with all kinds of little changes 295 00:12:15,405 --> 00:12:19,085 because drivers, the way information comes down 296 00:12:19,105 --> 00:12:22,445 to us in Morocco is not maybe the most clear. 297 00:12:22,505 --> 00:12:24,245 So it'd be like yesterday we were supposed 298 00:12:24,245 --> 00:12:26,725 to have this rule, but long story short, 299 00:12:27,705 --> 00:12:30,485 we got the clients on repatriation flights back home 300 00:12:30,545 --> 00:12:32,125 to the US and there are a few from Mexico. 301 00:12:32,945 --> 00:12:35,125 And then I rolled the dice thinking like, uh, 302 00:12:35,125 --> 00:12:36,205 because I had to be in Turkey 303 00:12:36,205 --> 00:12:37,205 after that thinking, 304 00:12:37,405 --> 00:12:39,365 thinking like it'll pass in a week or two. 305 00:12:39,535 --> 00:12:42,325 Right. Um, because Morocco closed borders both in and out. 306 00:12:42,465 --> 00:12:43,525 So if you didn't get on a 307 00:12:43,685 --> 00:12:45,045 repatriation flight, you were just there. 308 00:12:45,705 --> 00:12:47,045 So I found an apartment 309 00:12:47,665 --> 00:12:49,805 and then a week turned into a month, 310 00:12:49,805 --> 00:12:51,325 which turned into two months, you know, 311 00:12:51,325 --> 00:12:53,405 then it just became, came longer. 312 00:12:53,625 --> 00:12:56,045 And in that period when it was when I was actually trying 313 00:12:56,045 --> 00:12:58,885 to get back to Denmark, 'cause I had just sold my condo 314 00:12:58,985 --> 00:13:00,605 and put all my stuff in storage from Austin. 315 00:13:00,745 --> 00:13:03,645 So I was in a very transitionary stage myself, 316 00:13:03,865 --> 00:13:05,965 but universe conspired and I made it out 317 00:13:06,065 --> 00:13:07,645 and I learned lots of lessons. 318 00:13:07,845 --> 00:13:11,045 I did lots of yoga while I was there. and a sanity 319 00:13:11,045 --> 00:13:12,045 routine. - . 320 00:13:13,745 --> 00:13:17,525 That's crazy. But I love that adventure. . 321 00:13:18,745 --> 00:13:20,365 - It was an adventure. You know, it's funny. 322 00:13:20,365 --> 00:13:23,725 People ask me a lot, you know, was it so hard being alone? 323 00:13:24,105 --> 00:13:25,605 All the things, and I love Morocco, 324 00:13:25,785 --> 00:13:27,045 but we didn't get to explore. 325 00:13:27,105 --> 00:13:28,725 It was very shut down. You could go 326 00:13:28,725 --> 00:13:30,165 to the store in the pharmacy, that was it. 327 00:13:30,465 --> 00:13:33,765 Mm-Hmm. . Um, but it was really, uh, a great time 328 00:13:33,765 --> 00:13:35,445 for self-reflection as I think most of us 329 00:13:35,445 --> 00:13:36,805 during Covid got a lot of, 330 00:13:36,905 --> 00:13:39,205 but for me, the solo time was fine. 331 00:13:39,205 --> 00:13:41,125 It was the uncertainty part of when I could leave. 332 00:13:41,125 --> 00:13:44,525 That was challenging, but what a great lesson for life. 333 00:13:44,865 --> 00:13:48,045 So definitely built a lot of skills there. 334 00:13:48,665 --> 00:13:50,455 - Oh, I bet. Yeah. 335 00:13:50,855 --> 00:13:54,215 I mean, if you were to think back, 336 00:13:54,405 --> 00:13:55,655 what would you do differently? 337 00:13:56,075 --> 00:13:59,495 It sounds like you just had, you took advantage of, uh, 338 00:13:59,495 --> 00:14:02,655 inner peace and yoga and meditation 339 00:14:02,655 --> 00:14:04,135 and really worked on yourself. 340 00:14:04,455 --> 00:14:05,575 I mean, how special is that ? 341 00:14:06,485 --> 00:14:07,815 - Yeah. Honestly, I dunno 342 00:14:07,815 --> 00:14:09,655 that there's a lot I would've done differently 343 00:14:09,655 --> 00:14:12,975 because I was supposed to be traveling for five months. 344 00:14:13,135 --> 00:14:15,975 I had actually, the tour company that I used to work 345 00:14:16,075 --> 00:14:18,535 for had been bought out in the new company. 346 00:14:18,655 --> 00:14:20,575 I had clients in Japan. 347 00:14:20,635 --> 00:14:23,015 We were doing a partnership where I was doing cultural tours 348 00:14:23,075 --> 00:14:24,415 for the 20, well, 349 00:14:24,415 --> 00:14:26,615 what would've been the 2020 Japan Olympics? 350 00:14:26,795 --> 00:14:28,255 So I, I was supposed 351 00:14:28,255 --> 00:14:30,455 to continue being on the road that whole summer. 352 00:14:30,835 --> 00:14:33,175 So honestly, I don't think I would do anything different 353 00:14:33,235 --> 00:14:34,415 in terms of when I left. 354 00:14:34,595 --> 00:14:36,215 But, um, I think 355 00:14:36,215 --> 00:14:39,455 what kept me really sane was just focusing on every day, 356 00:14:39,455 --> 00:14:41,375 having a little routine for myself, 357 00:14:41,565 --> 00:14:43,135 working on all those practices. 358 00:14:43,255 --> 00:14:46,295 I think I read like 15 books, , so. 359 00:14:47,405 --> 00:14:51,105 - Awesome. So do you travel 360 00:14:51,375 --> 00:14:52,915 on a lot of your trips now? 361 00:14:53,435 --> 00:14:54,795 I believe I saw on your website 362 00:14:54,795 --> 00:14:56,395 that you have one coming up, right? 363 00:14:56,575 --> 00:15:00,275 Is that in, uh, uh, Jordan? 364 00:15:00,905 --> 00:15:03,595 - Yeah, next week. So yeah, in the beginning 365 00:15:03,615 --> 00:15:05,515 of Traverse I traveled on a ton of trips. 366 00:15:05,855 --> 00:15:09,275 Um, these days I select them a little more 367 00:15:09,275 --> 00:15:10,715 because we have quite a few trips. 368 00:15:10,715 --> 00:15:12,355 Like in this last spring season, 369 00:15:12,495 --> 00:15:14,755 we had 14 trips across 12 countries. 370 00:15:14,775 --> 00:15:16,595 So obviously I couldn't be on all of those. 371 00:15:17,055 --> 00:15:18,995 And most of our trips are repeats. 372 00:15:18,995 --> 00:15:20,515 Like we really have them dialed. 373 00:15:20,515 --> 00:15:23,075 We have amazing partners and guides and hosts. 374 00:15:23,075 --> 00:15:26,515 So I don't need to be there. But I do go on some key trips. 375 00:15:26,655 --> 00:15:28,035 So yeah, Jordan, I'm going 376 00:15:28,035 --> 00:15:30,635 to next week we have a really amazing collaboration 377 00:15:30,745 --> 00:15:33,275 with the Jordan Tourism board, a photographer 378 00:15:33,895 --> 00:15:36,435 and, uh, a gal who's gonna be on Instagram stuff for us. 379 00:15:36,455 --> 00:15:38,875 So we're doing a little photo shoot at a restaurant 380 00:15:38,875 --> 00:15:41,515 that is owned by this woman Maria, who's incredible. 381 00:15:41,775 --> 00:15:43,275 Her sisters and her own the restaurant. 382 00:15:43,275 --> 00:15:45,075 They use her grandma's recipes. 383 00:15:45,835 --> 00:15:47,375 So we're gonna do a little cooking with them. 384 00:15:47,435 --> 00:15:50,215 We have clients coming. Also, Jordan is one 385 00:15:50,215 --> 00:15:51,535 of my favorite places in the world. 386 00:15:51,645 --> 00:15:53,695 It's really, really incredible, really. 387 00:15:53,845 --> 00:15:55,895 I'll just be there for the first four days of the trip 388 00:15:55,955 --> 00:15:57,735 and Amman, and then everyone will head out 389 00:15:57,735 --> 00:15:58,975 to all the adventures in desert. 390 00:15:59,205 --> 00:16:01,495 Unfortunately, I can't go 'cause I need to come back 391 00:16:01,495 --> 00:16:03,975 and be, uh, at, you know, in my office. 392 00:16:04,315 --> 00:16:05,775 But, um, running 393 00:16:05,775 --> 00:16:07,375 - The show I - Love Yeah. 394 00:16:07,375 --> 00:16:08,975 Running the show. I'd rather be hiking, 395 00:16:09,235 --> 00:16:12,455 but I'll, I'll be on the Chile trip this fall. 396 00:16:12,795 --> 00:16:16,935 Uh, in Patagonia, we, we hiked the w re trip w Trek, 397 00:16:17,075 --> 00:16:19,895 so I'll be there in November, so I'll get my outdoor time. 398 00:16:21,135 --> 00:16:22,915 - So with that sounds amazing. 399 00:16:23,335 --> 00:16:25,555 Uh, so with the traverse, uh, 400 00:16:26,105 --> 00:16:27,755 what does a traverse trip look like? 401 00:16:27,895 --> 00:16:30,155 For example, the one in Jordan? Can you explain 402 00:16:31,485 --> 00:16:32,485 - About that? 403 00:16:32,485 --> 00:16:34,875 Definitely. I'll give you kind of a little overview of 404 00:16:34,875 --> 00:16:36,755 what all traverse trips have in common, 405 00:16:37,175 --> 00:16:38,515 and then you know, how they differ 406 00:16:38,515 --> 00:16:40,155 because they're all very unique. 407 00:16:40,535 --> 00:16:43,315 Mm-Hmm. But generally they're like six to eight days. 408 00:16:43,645 --> 00:16:45,915 Every trip that's a group trip can, 409 00:16:46,215 --> 00:16:48,475 almost every single one can also be booked 410 00:16:48,475 --> 00:16:49,635 as like a self-guided. 411 00:16:49,635 --> 00:16:50,635 So it could be two people 412 00:16:50,735 --> 00:16:53,315 that's slightly different than the group itinerary. 413 00:16:53,315 --> 00:16:54,515 Maybe they take trains places, 414 00:16:54,605 --> 00:16:55,795 maybe they have a private driver. 415 00:16:56,175 --> 00:16:58,115 But generally speaking about six to eight days, 416 00:16:59,015 --> 00:17:01,115 we really love our accommodations. 417 00:17:01,235 --> 00:17:04,235 A lot of boutique accommodations locally owned, you know, 418 00:17:04,235 --> 00:17:07,195 to the greatest extent possible, they can really vary. 419 00:17:07,495 --> 00:17:10,275 So, like in Nepal, for example, when we're hiking, 420 00:17:10,415 --> 00:17:13,515 we stay at really humble tea houses owned by Tibetans. 421 00:17:13,775 --> 00:17:16,035 And then we finish off at a five star eco lodge. 422 00:17:16,135 --> 00:17:18,795 So you get this texture to your, you know, 423 00:17:18,995 --> 00:17:21,715 sleeping experience, get both, both ends of the spectrum. 424 00:17:21,935 --> 00:17:24,235 And like in France for our retreat there, 425 00:17:24,975 --> 00:17:27,635 we stay at this beautiful countryside chateau. 426 00:17:28,185 --> 00:17:29,755 It's, it has all this history. 427 00:17:29,865 --> 00:17:32,115 It's been like renovated in a sustainable, 428 00:17:32,225 --> 00:17:33,795 like really sustainable style. 429 00:17:34,455 --> 00:17:38,595 So every, uh, itinerary includes very unique accommodations 430 00:17:38,705 --> 00:17:39,995 that may vary. 431 00:17:40,195 --> 00:17:41,355 I mean, mid range, 432 00:17:41,535 --> 00:17:43,315 but sometimes you get a little extra luxury. 433 00:17:43,315 --> 00:17:44,915 Sometimes you get a little more basic, 434 00:17:44,915 --> 00:17:46,555 especially if you're doing the adventure hiking. 435 00:17:47,335 --> 00:17:49,685 Um, every itinerary has a, a welcome dinner 436 00:17:49,705 --> 00:17:52,285 and a farewell dinner, and then daily breakfast, 437 00:17:52,345 --> 00:17:55,165 and then we'll sprinkle in at other meals as it makes sense. 438 00:17:55,345 --> 00:17:56,965 But we want you to also have some freedom. 439 00:17:56,965 --> 00:17:58,565 Sometimes you're in a cool little town 440 00:17:58,665 --> 00:18:01,325 and you wanna go, you know, find what sounds good to you. 441 00:18:01,505 --> 00:18:04,645 Mm-Hmm. . Um, and then we have really, um, 442 00:18:05,115 --> 00:18:06,445 immersive experiences. 443 00:18:06,665 --> 00:18:10,285 So like on the France retreat, we visit local villages, hike 444 00:18:10,285 --> 00:18:11,325 to little castles. 445 00:18:11,545 --> 00:18:14,645 We take a pastel dye workshop 446 00:18:15,685 --> 00:18:17,775 book French Cuisine at the Chateau. 447 00:18:18,395 --> 00:18:20,055 We have a Cuba retreat, um, 448 00:18:20,115 --> 00:18:22,415 coming up actually in, in the fall as well. 449 00:18:22,435 --> 00:18:24,415 And that's really centered around art and culture. 450 00:18:25,155 --> 00:18:27,695 And this one is, uh, with a somatic therapist. 451 00:18:27,955 --> 00:18:30,015 So our retreats aren't just yoga. 452 00:18:30,275 --> 00:18:33,775 We do like with this one in particular, um, somatic therapy 453 00:18:33,875 --> 00:18:35,175 and workshops every day. 454 00:18:35,755 --> 00:18:37,895 And you mentioned Morocco, we love Morocco. 455 00:18:38,595 --> 00:18:41,455 Um, is a Burber women's textile co-op there. 456 00:18:42,355 --> 00:18:45,535 And then Jordan had, like you had just mentioned, Mm-Hmm. . 457 00:18:45,755 --> 00:18:48,335 Um, so that one is in the adventure category. 458 00:18:48,355 --> 00:18:50,015 We have more hiking in that one. 459 00:18:50,045 --> 00:18:51,615 There's a really incredible trail. 460 00:18:52,175 --> 00:18:55,455 Everyone thinks of Petra, the site as just the one treasury 461 00:18:55,565 --> 00:18:57,015 that you see like in pictures, 462 00:18:57,015 --> 00:18:59,295 but it's actually a ginormous, I can't remember 463 00:18:59,295 --> 00:19:00,735 how many acres site, 464 00:19:00,735 --> 00:19:04,975 but we do a 12 mile hike from little Petra to Petra. 465 00:19:04,975 --> 00:19:07,415 And along the way you're seeing all these ancient facades, 466 00:19:07,875 --> 00:19:09,895 the way they store water, uh, 467 00:19:09,965 --> 00:19:11,215 it's really, really incredible. 468 00:19:11,435 --> 00:19:16,355 And then we go up north to the alo Forest Reserve, a lot 469 00:19:16,355 --> 00:19:18,075 of con conservation efforts up there. 470 00:19:18,455 --> 00:19:21,555 We meet with a number of different women's cooperatives, 471 00:19:21,585 --> 00:19:23,515 have some amazing food and other cooking class. 472 00:19:23,705 --> 00:19:25,155 What about cooking classes in a lot? 473 00:19:25,155 --> 00:19:28,195 Because what a better way to experience cuisine than to, 474 00:19:28,195 --> 00:19:29,995 you know, be involved, making it yourself, 475 00:19:30,195 --> 00:19:31,475 learning about local ingredients. 476 00:19:32,335 --> 00:19:33,635 Um, and then the other key thing 477 00:19:33,635 --> 00:19:36,915 that all trips have in involved is a community partner. 478 00:19:37,055 --> 00:19:41,635 So we donate 1% of sales to the community partner, um, 479 00:19:41,635 --> 00:19:44,435 which is a nonprofit NGO that can really range. 480 00:19:44,815 --> 00:19:47,515 So in Peru, for example, we partner 481 00:19:47,585 --> 00:19:51,525 with a catcha language preservation program, uh, in Mexico, 482 00:19:52,085 --> 00:19:53,205 a regenerative farm. 483 00:19:53,235 --> 00:19:54,765 They're focused on heritage plants. 484 00:19:54,765 --> 00:19:56,805 We also do a tamale making workshop with them. 485 00:19:57,705 --> 00:19:59,445 Um, in Greece and Cyprus, 486 00:19:59,625 --> 00:20:00,885 we have a really incredible partner 487 00:20:00,885 --> 00:20:02,085 called Lighthouse Relief. 488 00:20:02,475 --> 00:20:05,525 They do both acute and long-term support for refugees. 489 00:20:06,345 --> 00:20:10,325 So there's a wide variety of, uh, like nonprofit initiatives 490 00:20:10,325 --> 00:20:13,045 that are also really, um, one thing that I'll say 491 00:20:13,045 --> 00:20:15,285 to you about that, and this comes from my grad school 492 00:20:15,285 --> 00:20:17,365 experience and the work that I did in Brazil, 493 00:20:17,595 --> 00:20:20,325 there's really pay attention to who's leading that. 494 00:20:20,715 --> 00:20:22,805 Like who's it, who's it buy and who's it for? 495 00:20:22,875 --> 00:20:25,485 Like community led organizations, you know, 496 00:20:25,485 --> 00:20:27,925 that are coming from like the needs of the community 497 00:20:27,925 --> 00:20:30,765 and then bringing that up versus someone just dropping into 498 00:20:30,765 --> 00:20:32,485 a community saying like, oh, I think we need this. 499 00:20:32,665 --> 00:20:35,805 So we really pay attention to how those nonprofits 500 00:20:35,805 --> 00:20:37,405 and NGOs are structured as well. 501 00:20:38,235 --> 00:20:40,215 - No, that's very wise. And you know, that the, 502 00:20:40,275 --> 00:20:42,095 the money's actually being used for them. 503 00:20:42,805 --> 00:20:46,415 - Yeah. - Yeah. That is, it's, it's so incredible. 504 00:20:46,655 --> 00:20:48,045 I mean, all of these trips 505 00:20:48,345 --> 00:20:51,205 and excursions sound absolutely amazing. 506 00:20:52,025 --> 00:20:55,685 Uh, for the one coming up in Jordan, like, how many people 507 00:20:56,425 --> 00:20:58,605 do you typically have on these trips? 508 00:20:59,685 --> 00:21:02,295 - Typically, our trips are like eight to 12 people. 509 00:21:02,555 --> 00:21:03,895 Jordan is a small trip. 510 00:21:03,925 --> 00:21:05,535 This year it's four people 511 00:21:05,535 --> 00:21:08,495 because, you know, there's a situation in the Middle East, 512 00:21:08,515 --> 00:21:11,175 and it's tough because American media, um, 513 00:21:11,195 --> 00:21:15,175 we don't always get exactly the, the picture, you know, 514 00:21:15,395 --> 00:21:16,975 of what's actually happening on the ground. 515 00:21:16,975 --> 00:21:18,175 Jordan is actually very safe. 516 00:21:18,235 --> 00:21:20,455 And I have partners that I trust in Jordan, 517 00:21:20,475 --> 00:21:22,815 and I also collaborate with the Jordan Tourism Board, 518 00:21:22,815 --> 00:21:24,215 which is a government entity. 519 00:21:24,245 --> 00:21:26,015 Like it's very much in their interest 520 00:21:26,125 --> 00:21:28,015 that travelers remain safe. 521 00:21:28,595 --> 00:21:30,175 So there's a difference, you know, the kind 522 00:21:30,175 --> 00:21:31,455 of perception versus reality. 523 00:21:31,675 --> 00:21:35,455 But, um, this particular trip in Jordan is really focused 524 00:21:35,515 --> 00:21:38,455 on, um, local organizations and community. 525 00:21:38,455 --> 00:21:41,815 And I'm so excited we're gonna be there because guides and, 526 00:21:41,875 --> 00:21:42,975 and accommodations 527 00:21:43,075 --> 00:21:45,735 and all of the, the partners in Jordan are, they're, 528 00:21:45,735 --> 00:21:48,095 they're struggling right now because tourism is down in 529 00:21:48,095 --> 00:21:50,095 Jordan, due to the Middle East situation, 530 00:21:50,205 --> 00:21:52,535 despite it being very safe and stable in Jordan. 531 00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:54,495 So Right. 532 00:21:54,515 --> 00:21:55,935 Jordan is actually a really great 533 00:21:55,935 --> 00:21:57,095 example of sustainable tourism. 534 00:21:58,035 --> 00:22:01,895 Um, so the, the government private entities 535 00:22:02,075 --> 00:22:04,015 and some NGOs, they all collaborated 536 00:22:04,235 --> 00:22:06,775 for what's called the meaningful travel map in Jordan. 537 00:22:06,925 --> 00:22:11,375 It's 750 kilometers of hiking and biking north to south. 538 00:22:11,475 --> 00:22:13,975 Mm-Hmm. . And along the way you have all kinds 539 00:22:13,975 --> 00:22:15,095 of women's cooperatives. 540 00:22:15,095 --> 00:22:16,615 You have places that you can stop by 541 00:22:16,615 --> 00:22:18,335 that are family owned that'll serve lunch 542 00:22:18,595 --> 00:22:21,495 or, you know, that you can do a, a home stay with. 543 00:22:21,915 --> 00:22:23,615 So it's a really incredible way 544 00:22:24,195 --> 00:22:26,015 to keep money in the local economy. 545 00:22:26,195 --> 00:22:30,295 And it's also one of the issues in countries like Jordan is 546 00:22:30,295 --> 00:22:33,055 that people will come to the big cities like Aman for work. 547 00:22:33,325 --> 00:22:34,455 They'll leave their rural 548 00:22:34,545 --> 00:22:36,095 areas and come into the big cities. 549 00:22:36,155 --> 00:22:37,655 And that puts a lot of pressure on 550 00:22:38,475 --> 00:22:40,535 the cities themselves for jobs. 551 00:22:40,755 --> 00:22:43,255 And it also breaks up families and traditions. 552 00:22:43,515 --> 00:22:45,335 So there's a big, you know, a lot 553 00:22:45,335 --> 00:22:48,015 of this work is also preserving traditions 554 00:22:48,035 --> 00:22:50,735 and heritage in these smaller villages and towns. 555 00:22:50,915 --> 00:22:54,295 So it's something we're really excited to be a part of. I 556 00:22:54,775 --> 00:22:57,575 - Love how small and intimate your groups are. 557 00:22:57,755 --> 00:23:00,175 So you definitely have some lasting impressions 558 00:23:00,355 --> 00:23:03,095 and, uh, I'm sure you have some amazing first 559 00:23:03,095 --> 00:23:04,375 time customer reviews. 560 00:23:06,285 --> 00:23:08,015 - Yeah. And we have people on our, like, 561 00:23:08,035 --> 00:23:10,615 on their fourth trips with us, which is so fun to see. 562 00:23:11,195 --> 00:23:13,375 - Oh, I could see that. That they're like, you know what? 563 00:23:13,485 --> 00:23:15,855 This works for me. All of your trips in your 564 00:23:16,705 --> 00:23:18,415 taste is, uh, impeccable. 565 00:23:18,555 --> 00:23:19,815 So why go anywhere else . 566 00:23:20,885 --> 00:23:22,535 - Yeah. Yeah. It's, I love it. 567 00:23:23,375 --> 00:23:25,575 - I mean, go anywhere else as in like, go anywhere else 568 00:23:25,575 --> 00:23:27,375 with another company, but . 569 00:23:27,895 --> 00:23:28,935 I know. 570 00:23:30,165 --> 00:23:34,255 - Yeah. - That is so amazing to hear. 571 00:23:35,135 --> 00:23:38,135 So hear I was seeing the, uh, Cuba retreat, 572 00:23:38,195 --> 00:23:39,535 is it for women only? 573 00:23:39,755 --> 00:23:40,855 Is that one a women's? 574 00:23:41,365 --> 00:23:43,255 - Yeah, this one is a women's only retreat. 575 00:23:43,405 --> 00:23:46,165 Like all of our other retreats are co-ed. 576 00:23:46,165 --> 00:23:48,605 Even though we do tend to get mostly women, we do get a lot 577 00:23:48,605 --> 00:23:49,805 of mindful men also. 578 00:23:49,995 --> 00:23:51,005 Yeah. Often partners, 579 00:23:51,025 --> 00:23:52,725 but sometimes coming on their own as well. 580 00:23:52,945 --> 00:23:55,325 But this one, because Kim, the retreat leader, 581 00:23:55,385 --> 00:23:57,885 she works specifically with, uh, with women. 582 00:23:57,985 --> 00:24:00,285 Her background is in therapy. She does somatic work. 583 00:24:00,705 --> 00:24:02,325 So it's really driven 584 00:24:03,185 --> 00:24:06,285 or really made as a space for women to feel safe. 585 00:24:06,355 --> 00:24:08,205 Like if you've had past trauma for example, 586 00:24:08,265 --> 00:24:10,885 or working on some like really key things in your life. 587 00:24:11,025 --> 00:24:13,965 Mm-Hmm. . So that one is a women's retreat. Yeah. 588 00:24:14,765 --> 00:24:17,305 We went, um, with Kim this year earlier in the 589 00:24:17,305 --> 00:24:18,465 spring to Machu Picchu. 590 00:24:18,465 --> 00:24:22,705 Did the Inca Trail hike. Mm-Hmm. , so hardcore 11 women. 591 00:24:23,005 --> 00:24:24,185 It was amazing. Wow. 592 00:24:24,245 --> 00:24:26,625 So keep, keep us a little lighter on the, 593 00:24:26,815 --> 00:24:28,465 it's challenging in different ways, 594 00:24:28,805 --> 00:24:31,185 but not as intense as the Inca Trail. 595 00:24:32,825 --> 00:24:34,525 - Wow. I mean, you go 596 00:24:34,665 --> 00:24:36,805 to some amazing places all over the world. 597 00:24:37,185 --> 00:24:39,925 Can you share one of your absolute favorites? 598 00:24:40,915 --> 00:24:42,555 I know that would be a, that's a hard question. 599 00:24:42,555 --> 00:24:43,875 - Yeah, it's a hard question, 600 00:24:43,895 --> 00:24:46,355 but one, one that I would love to put out there, 601 00:24:46,555 --> 00:24:47,555 'cause I've already talked about Jordan, 602 00:24:47,715 --> 00:24:49,035 I always love that, but is India. 603 00:24:49,615 --> 00:24:51,875 So I've found, I love India so much. 604 00:24:51,945 --> 00:24:53,035 I've been numerous times. 605 00:24:53,455 --> 00:24:55,555 Um, I found that people tend to either really love it 606 00:24:55,555 --> 00:24:56,995 or really hate it if they've been, 607 00:24:57,495 --> 00:25:00,075 or be scared of it, if they haven't. 608 00:25:00,295 --> 00:25:04,115 And so one of the things in designing the India itinerary is 609 00:25:04,155 --> 00:25:06,995 I wanted to make it feel very safe and and approachable. 610 00:25:07,615 --> 00:25:09,955 And so you see classic destinations, 611 00:25:09,955 --> 00:25:11,195 but in a very unique way. 612 00:25:11,935 --> 00:25:14,355 And we also have a lot that is like, quite unique. 613 00:25:14,375 --> 00:25:17,355 So for example, in Jaipur, we go for a hike in hills, 614 00:25:17,415 --> 00:25:20,515 and you can see, you get kind of tired of seeing, I mean, 615 00:25:20,515 --> 00:25:22,115 you wouldn't think that you wouldn't, but you see fort 616 00:25:22,115 --> 00:25:23,955 after fort after for architectural thing, and 617 00:25:23,955 --> 00:25:25,675 after a while you're like, oof, that's a lot. 618 00:25:26,095 --> 00:25:29,115 So instead of going to see that fort, we go for a hike 619 00:25:29,175 --> 00:25:31,715 or you get views and we have like a sunset breakfast. 620 00:25:31,975 --> 00:25:33,355 So, um, and the, 621 00:25:33,355 --> 00:25:34,435 and our local guide 622 00:25:34,435 --> 00:25:36,675 for our India trip is just so phenomenal. 623 00:25:36,935 --> 00:25:38,795 It is just like relating with a friend. 624 00:25:38,895 --> 00:25:40,195 You learn so much about culture. 625 00:25:40,975 --> 00:25:43,875 We also, in that same region, go to regenerative farm 626 00:25:44,015 --> 00:25:46,195 and meet, um, one of the owners. 627 00:25:46,295 --> 00:25:48,675 You learn a lot about the, the history 628 00:25:48,695 --> 00:25:51,075 and culture as you're kind of involved in this. 629 00:25:51,215 --> 00:25:54,475 But he has just a fascinating story of he, him, 630 00:25:54,775 --> 00:25:57,115 the short version of him being like the only 631 00:25:57,945 --> 00:26:00,835 only farmer in his area to start with organic farming. 632 00:26:00,935 --> 00:26:03,355 And all of his neighbors thought he was crazy, like, 633 00:26:03,355 --> 00:26:05,675 this isn't gonna work, you're gonna go bankrupt. 634 00:26:06,135 --> 00:26:09,315 But over the course of about 10 years, he, not, not 635 00:26:09,375 --> 00:26:12,435 by trying, but he kind of converted everyone in that area 636 00:26:12,455 --> 00:26:16,195 to grow organic because they were seeing both the struggles 637 00:26:16,195 --> 00:26:18,355 and the eventual success that he had with it. 638 00:26:18,535 --> 00:26:21,955 So, because that's actually historically a really big issue 639 00:26:22,135 --> 00:26:25,555 in, in India, there's a total type side tangent, 640 00:26:26,175 --> 00:26:28,795 but things like that, in that itinerary, I absolutely love. 641 00:26:28,795 --> 00:26:30,915 We've like placed, you still see the Taj Mahal, 642 00:26:30,935 --> 00:26:32,355 you still get to see some, a deli. 643 00:26:32,355 --> 00:26:34,595 We go to vei, which is a historic, 644 00:26:34,595 --> 00:26:36,515 like the oldest living city of in the world. 645 00:26:36,615 --> 00:26:39,115 Mm-Hmm. . So you're also confronted with a lot of things 646 00:26:39,115 --> 00:26:41,075 that in Western society we don't talk about, 647 00:26:41,075 --> 00:26:42,315 like death for example. 648 00:26:42,455 --> 00:26:45,405 You know, we don't talk about these really hard subjects 649 00:26:45,405 --> 00:26:47,605 because they're, we're pretty black 650 00:26:47,605 --> 00:26:51,385 and white, whereas like time and cycles of birth 651 00:26:51,525 --> 00:26:53,305 and re like rebirth 652 00:26:53,305 --> 00:26:56,625 and all of that is just so, so different in Asia at large, 653 00:26:56,885 --> 00:26:58,505 you know, mentality and thought. 654 00:26:59,045 --> 00:27:02,585 So India's one that I absolutely love because it's unique. 655 00:27:02,765 --> 00:27:05,665 We stay in really incredible boutique accommodations, 656 00:27:05,665 --> 00:27:07,265 which are hard to find in India. 657 00:27:07,345 --> 00:27:09,425 I cannot tell you how many hotel site 658 00:27:09,425 --> 00:27:10,545 visits I've done there. 659 00:27:10,725 --> 00:27:12,865 Mm-Hmm. . Um, and they're just incredible people. 660 00:27:13,025 --> 00:27:16,265 I love, I love taking away, actually taking away some 661 00:27:16,265 --> 00:27:17,665 of the mystery and the sense of like, 662 00:27:18,665 --> 00:27:21,265 I had this one conversation with clients in our guide. 663 00:27:21,265 --> 00:27:23,065 They're like, yeah, a lot of Indians don't 664 00:27:23,065 --> 00:27:24,105 feel safe in the us. 665 00:27:24,245 --> 00:27:25,985 And I'm like, fair, that's super fair 666 00:27:25,985 --> 00:27:30,545 because like there's a lot of unsafety in the US so you kind 667 00:27:30,545 --> 00:27:32,505 of have to shift your perspective too. So, 668 00:27:33,095 --> 00:27:34,095 - Yeah. 669 00:27:34,095 --> 00:27:37,205 Yeah. That's beautiful. Thanks for sharing that. Yeah. 670 00:27:38,225 --> 00:27:40,885 So besides booking a trip with Traverse, 671 00:27:41,145 --> 00:27:44,205 can you provide our listeners with some helpful tips, uh, 672 00:27:44,205 --> 00:27:45,405 when traveling abroad? 673 00:27:46,485 --> 00:27:49,055 - Yeah, definitely. So definitely dust off 674 00:27:49,055 --> 00:27:50,255 your passport, make sure it's ready. 675 00:27:50,495 --> 00:27:52,655 I think like for a while, maybe it's a little better now, 676 00:27:52,655 --> 00:27:54,895 but there were some heavyweight times actually had to, 677 00:27:55,115 --> 00:27:56,695 had a client who had to cancel a trip 678 00:27:56,695 --> 00:27:58,895 because she didn't get her passport in time. Oh 679 00:27:58,895 --> 00:27:59,895 - No. 680 00:27:59,895 --> 00:28:01,695 - Definitely make sure your ducks are in a row. 681 00:28:02,155 --> 00:28:04,535 But one of the big things I say from a sustainability 682 00:28:04,545 --> 00:28:08,055 standpoint is considering travel and off or shoulder season, 683 00:28:08,405 --> 00:28:10,735 because especially for example, living here in Europe, 684 00:28:10,875 --> 00:28:12,655 it is just inundated in the summer. 685 00:28:13,395 --> 00:28:16,055 Um, and so it creates a heavy load, 686 00:28:16,105 --> 00:28:19,655 especially on destinations that kind of popped like Iceland 687 00:28:19,755 --> 00:28:22,695 or Croatia, you know, that had kind of this moment of pop, 688 00:28:23,075 --> 00:28:24,415 but it actually creates a lot 689 00:28:24,415 --> 00:28:26,215 of strain on the destination when you have 690 00:28:26,215 --> 00:28:28,215 that many people coming in at once. 691 00:28:28,285 --> 00:28:29,935 It's called over tourism is what we call it. 692 00:28:30,435 --> 00:28:34,015 So shoulder season supports all of these different vendors 693 00:28:34,815 --> 00:28:35,935 in a lower season. 694 00:28:36,035 --> 00:28:37,775 For them it's also more fun for you 695 00:28:37,775 --> 00:28:39,415 because it's not as crowded. 696 00:28:39,675 --> 00:28:41,975 Prices tend to be better, weather tends to be better 697 00:28:41,975 --> 00:28:43,135 because with climate change, 698 00:28:43,165 --> 00:28:44,935 like summers are even hotter now. 699 00:28:45,555 --> 00:28:48,735 So that's something I definitely recommend. 700 00:28:49,405 --> 00:28:53,295 Also, seeking out local accommodations versus chains. 701 00:28:53,485 --> 00:28:55,815 There's so many really cool initiatives. 702 00:28:55,815 --> 00:28:58,775 Like in Italy you can stay in like the agricultural like, 703 00:28:58,795 --> 00:29:00,855 um, bed and breakfast type of things. 704 00:29:01,065 --> 00:29:03,735 There are all kinds of eco lodges. 705 00:29:03,735 --> 00:29:06,415 If you're maybe in somewhere more tropical Latin America. 706 00:29:07,735 --> 00:29:09,315 Um, it sounds basic, 707 00:29:09,455 --> 00:29:10,675 but you would be surprised 708 00:29:10,995 --> 00:29:12,475 ditching the plastic water bottle. 709 00:29:12,495 --> 00:29:14,555 You would be surprised how many people still forget their 710 00:29:14,555 --> 00:29:17,075 water even when we tell them. 711 00:29:17,135 --> 00:29:19,875 So bring your water bottle, bring a Tumblr for coffee. 712 00:29:20,255 --> 00:29:22,875 You know, I like on our grease sailing trip every morning, 713 00:29:23,035 --> 00:29:24,155 I like would take my little, 714 00:29:24,155 --> 00:29:25,915 because I really like my coffee, so I go 715 00:29:25,915 --> 00:29:26,795 to a little coffee shop with 716 00:29:26,795 --> 00:29:28,475 my, actually I have an example right here. 717 00:29:28,905 --> 00:29:31,075 Yeah. . Yeah, little 718 00:29:31,695 --> 00:29:33,995 hydros Tumblr, you know, take it with you. 719 00:29:34,015 --> 00:29:36,315 And if you're in a place that needs filtered water, 720 00:29:36,385 --> 00:29:38,315 like say India or Nepal 721 00:29:38,495 --> 00:29:40,195 or could be, you know, a lot 722 00:29:40,195 --> 00:29:41,925 of Latin America, Latin, bring a filter. 723 00:29:42,285 --> 00:29:43,885 I love, we do, we have a partnership 724 00:29:43,885 --> 00:29:45,685 with Grail water filters. 725 00:29:45,685 --> 00:29:46,965 Mm-Hmm. super easy. 726 00:29:47,365 --> 00:29:50,285 I have, I've like, I just use the tap water, filter it, 727 00:29:50,435 --> 00:29:51,925 fill up my bigger water bottle 728 00:29:52,025 --> 00:29:53,485 and then, then I'm good for the day. 729 00:29:53,545 --> 00:29:56,205 So that's really especially a big issue 730 00:29:56,205 --> 00:30:00,045 because not every country has really good, um, 731 00:30:00,195 --> 00:30:01,405 recycling infrastructure. 732 00:30:01,645 --> 00:30:04,285 I mean, the US doesn't actually have the best recycling in 733 00:30:04,285 --> 00:30:05,645 infrastructure E either. 734 00:30:06,465 --> 00:30:08,405 So, you know, something to be mindful about. 735 00:30:08,545 --> 00:30:10,725 And then the last one is a little bit more 736 00:30:10,725 --> 00:30:12,085 of a not last one. 737 00:30:12,085 --> 00:30:14,645 I have lots of tips, but the last one I'll mention now is a 738 00:30:14,645 --> 00:30:17,525 little bit more of around kind of the cultural piece. 739 00:30:17,605 --> 00:30:19,605 I do a lot of cross-cultural education 740 00:30:20,545 --> 00:30:23,525 and I remind people to drop expectations 741 00:30:23,545 --> 00:30:27,685 and assumptions, um, you know, cultural expectations, 742 00:30:27,835 --> 00:30:30,805 like services slow for dinner, you know, like it's just a, 743 00:30:31,025 --> 00:30:32,525 that's how it is here kind of thing. 744 00:30:33,065 --> 00:30:35,885 Or you know, with dietary restrictions, I mean we, 745 00:30:35,945 --> 00:30:37,885 we really pay attention to those in the sense 746 00:30:37,885 --> 00:30:40,365 that if you're vegetarian, vegan, we got you covered. 747 00:30:40,505 --> 00:30:41,805 You know, if you're a celiac, 748 00:30:41,835 --> 00:30:43,365 totally got you covered dairy free. 749 00:30:43,785 --> 00:30:45,605 But, you know, if you're really attached to things 750 00:30:45,605 --> 00:30:48,445 that are just more of a, a, a diet thing, 751 00:30:49,155 --> 00:30:51,045 that part makes it actually not so fun. 752 00:30:51,155 --> 00:30:53,325 Like, dive into the culture, you know, get creative, 753 00:30:53,785 --> 00:30:56,365 try the local foods and be seasonal about it. 754 00:30:56,465 --> 00:31:00,085 And, you know, in, um, per, you know, you, 755 00:31:00,185 --> 00:31:02,965 you might not find oat milk, so drink your coffee black, 756 00:31:03,025 --> 00:31:06,165 you know, , I mean like, so, you know, like things like 757 00:31:06,165 --> 00:31:08,525 that I think, and I'm really particular about my food, 758 00:31:08,625 --> 00:31:11,005 but like I, you know, I'm saying this from a place of having 759 00:31:11,005 --> 00:31:12,405 to do this myself also, 760 00:31:12,465 --> 00:31:16,125 but I think it just helps your mindset if you kind 761 00:31:16,125 --> 00:31:18,245 of drop some assumptions and expectations 762 00:31:18,305 --> 00:31:20,485 and are like, Hey, I'm gonna go with the flow. 763 00:31:20,545 --> 00:31:22,285 Do some cultural, you know, research 764 00:31:22,385 --> 00:31:24,125 for your etiquette, for your pleasantries. 765 00:31:24,865 --> 00:31:26,085 You know, those are, those are 766 00:31:26,085 --> 00:31:27,205 some of the recommendations that I have. 767 00:31:27,365 --> 00:31:29,005 - I think that's very important because you don't wanna 768 00:31:29,185 --> 00:31:32,005 offend, uh, cultures and Yeah. 769 00:31:32,355 --> 00:31:35,325 It's wise to, uh, open your mind. 770 00:31:35,345 --> 00:31:36,765 That's the reason why you're going 771 00:31:36,785 --> 00:31:40,085 and immersing yourself in so in a different world, uh, 772 00:31:40,185 --> 00:31:43,365 in a different country to experience it all. 773 00:31:44,225 --> 00:31:47,555 - Exactly. - So I get that. So that's great advice. 774 00:31:48,135 --> 00:31:52,315 Um, you sharing all of your worldly travels, um, 775 00:31:52,375 --> 00:31:55,995 and your business, uh, it just reminds me, uh, 776 00:31:56,625 --> 00:32:00,835 when I was younger, not younger, when I, in my early days, 777 00:32:01,015 --> 00:32:02,515 uh, I was a flight attendant, 778 00:32:02,695 --> 00:32:06,315 but prior to that I did, uh, study abroad in college. 779 00:32:06,815 --> 00:32:10,355 And, uh, I lived in Florence, Italy, 780 00:32:10,935 --> 00:32:13,475 and that's where I got my traveling bug 781 00:32:13,735 --> 00:32:15,595 and, uh, became a flight attendant 782 00:32:15,595 --> 00:32:16,715 because I wanted to see the world. 783 00:32:17,575 --> 00:32:21,115 And I feel that I have, I mean, not as much as you, I mean, 784 00:32:21,115 --> 00:32:23,355 you've turned it into some amazing career 785 00:32:23,465 --> 00:32:26,955 that I could only dream about, but it's still in my heart 786 00:32:26,975 --> 00:32:29,475 and I still feel that I am a world traveler 787 00:32:30,375 --> 00:32:31,755 at some part of me . 788 00:32:32,615 --> 00:32:35,075 - Do you have a place or any places that you wanna go? 789 00:32:35,335 --> 00:32:37,395 Are you, is there anything that's kind of calling your name? 790 00:32:37,935 --> 00:32:39,525 - You know, so many, so many. 791 00:32:39,945 --> 00:32:44,665 Um, I, I mean Italy is still like close 792 00:32:44,665 --> 00:32:46,185 to my heart because I lived there 793 00:32:46,205 --> 00:32:47,225 for a short amount of time. 794 00:32:47,225 --> 00:32:49,465 Right. And I got to experience the actual culture 795 00:32:49,685 --> 00:32:51,305 and, and, and lived there. 796 00:32:52,055 --> 00:32:56,665 That was so long ago. Um, I, I have traveled, um, immensely. 797 00:32:57,285 --> 00:33:00,665 Uh, I have not been to India, so that is on my list. 798 00:33:01,175 --> 00:33:02,905 - Okay. Well when you come to India, 799 00:33:03,475 --> 00:33:05,745 lemme know when you're ready to come to India. Lemme know. 800 00:33:06,335 --> 00:33:08,825 - I'll book my trip on Traverse Journeys. 801 00:33:10,055 --> 00:33:11,425 - Love it. So love it. Yes, 802 00:33:11,565 --> 00:33:12,565 - Yes. 803 00:33:12,565 --> 00:33:14,385 Uh, I have been to Croatia. 804 00:33:14,705 --> 00:33:16,185 I went in 2018, 805 00:33:16,885 --> 00:33:19,625 but yes, it's definitely picked up on tourism. 806 00:33:19,945 --> 00:33:22,705 I mean, I've met, I've heard of so many friends 807 00:33:22,705 --> 00:33:24,105 that have been there in the past year. 808 00:33:24,215 --> 00:33:25,865 It's crazy. Yeah. 809 00:33:25,865 --> 00:33:28,745 Uh, I don't know what, what the whole excitement it is, 810 00:33:28,745 --> 00:33:31,505 but it is absolutely beautiful. So I guess 811 00:33:31,505 --> 00:33:32,785 - That's, yeah, it's beautiful. 812 00:33:32,785 --> 00:33:35,145 It's just we have to spread things out a little bit. Yeah, 813 00:33:35,935 --> 00:33:37,145 - Exactly. Exactly. 814 00:33:37,545 --> 00:33:40,705 - Everyone a little less . - Um, in regards 815 00:33:40,765 --> 00:33:44,305 to traveler's tips, I would like to, uh, 816 00:33:44,685 --> 00:33:46,985 add my product travel, uh, travel ease. 817 00:33:47,905 --> 00:33:51,425 I created that because I used to travel a lot 818 00:33:51,845 --> 00:33:54,385 and I used to have, uh, 819 00:33:55,165 --> 00:33:59,825 gut issues when traveling from different foods 820 00:34:00,165 --> 00:34:01,745 and time zones 821 00:34:02,045 --> 00:34:04,465 and, you know, uh, not drinking enough water, 822 00:34:04,465 --> 00:34:05,545 being dehydrated 823 00:34:05,765 --> 00:34:08,945 and just, uh, your schedule being off 824 00:34:08,975 --> 00:34:11,705 that I would have issues with my gut 825 00:34:11,885 --> 00:34:12,905 and not staying regular. 826 00:34:13,765 --> 00:34:17,785 So hence the product travels that was born 827 00:34:17,925 --> 00:34:19,665 for myself. And it, 828 00:34:19,945 --> 00:34:20,945 - I love that. 829 00:34:20,945 --> 00:34:22,825 Yeah, that's, I'm so glad you mentioned that too, 830 00:34:22,825 --> 00:34:26,265 because electrolytes and magnesium are so critical. 831 00:34:26,325 --> 00:34:28,625 You know, like you're saying when you're traveling 832 00:34:28,645 --> 00:34:30,545 and having different water, different food, different, 833 00:34:30,765 --> 00:34:32,945 you know, like just your schedule's not right. 834 00:34:33,245 --> 00:34:34,865 So they, they really are critical. 835 00:34:34,865 --> 00:34:37,465 So I'm really glad you mentioned that and created it. So, 836 00:34:38,085 --> 00:34:39,085 - Yes. 837 00:34:39,085 --> 00:34:39,625 So, um, thank you. 838 00:34:39,685 --> 00:34:41,745 So yes, I originally created it for myself 839 00:34:41,745 --> 00:34:44,785 because I love traveling, but it would affect my travels 840 00:34:45,125 --> 00:34:47,145 and it would put a damper on my experience. 841 00:34:47,525 --> 00:34:50,985 And so I'm like, no more, I can't, you know, allow it 842 00:34:50,985 --> 00:34:53,425 to affect my trips or anyone around you 843 00:34:53,425 --> 00:34:54,705 because you always complain 844 00:34:54,925 --> 00:34:57,105 or with, you know, , whoever you're with. 845 00:34:57,445 --> 00:34:59,305 And I al and then I felt bad about that. 846 00:34:59,445 --> 00:35:01,745 So I had to take matters into my own hands. 847 00:35:02,365 --> 00:35:06,705 And it has changed my trips dramatically. 848 00:35:07,145 --> 00:35:09,345 I stay regular, I stay hydrated. 849 00:35:10,065 --> 00:35:13,425 I, uh, stay healthy because of the vitamins 850 00:35:13,425 --> 00:35:15,625 and minerals that are in the ingredients. 851 00:35:15,725 --> 00:35:18,225 And it has, um, really helped me. 852 00:35:18,245 --> 00:35:20,105 And now I try to help other travelers 853 00:35:20,445 --> 00:35:22,545 and, um, even when you're not traveling, 854 00:35:22,545 --> 00:35:23,785 you can use it. But yeah. 855 00:35:24,415 --> 00:35:26,505 - Amazing. - So Ashley, 856 00:35:26,925 --> 00:35:30,105 how can our listeners find out more about Traverse Journeys? 857 00:35:31,015 --> 00:35:33,105 - Yeah, definitely. You can go to our website, 858 00:35:33,105 --> 00:35:34,865 traverse journeys.com. 859 00:35:35,445 --> 00:35:38,085 Um, I would recommend when you, you hop on there, kind 860 00:35:38,085 --> 00:35:41,125 of see what calls to you of the three categories, 861 00:35:41,125 --> 00:35:42,645 adventure Retreat, explore, 862 00:35:42,705 --> 00:35:44,405 to start exploring what the trips are. 863 00:35:44,905 --> 00:35:46,885 You can also find us on social Instagram 864 00:35:46,885 --> 00:35:48,765 and Facebook at Traverse Journeys. 865 00:35:48,785 --> 00:35:50,565 And we're on Pinterest as well. 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